1 00:00:23,349 --> 00:00:09,090 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 2 00:00:29,650 --> 00:00:25,970 hello and welcome to the skeptic zone 3 00:00:33,580 --> 00:00:29,660 episode number 399 for the 12th of june 4 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:33,590 2016 richardson is here with you from a 5 00:00:38,090 --> 00:00:36,210 delightfully sunny sydney australia 6 00:00:40,460 --> 00:00:38,100 makes a big difference from the rain and 7 00:00:42,079 --> 00:00:40,470 sleet and snow and hurricanes and tidal 8 00:00:45,110 --> 00:00:42,089 waves and earthquakes and whatever we 9 00:00:47,299 --> 00:00:45,120 had last week it was pretty fierce and 10 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:47,309 there was a lot of damage done and some 11 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:48,930 of you from around the world might have 12 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:50,610 seen footage of some of the beaches here 13 00:00:54,529 --> 00:00:52,890 in Sydney the erosion from king tides 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:54,539 and the storm has been terrible and 15 00:00:59,779 --> 00:00:57,210 there're houses which are teetering on 16 00:01:04,130 --> 00:00:59,789 the brink of being lost but yes today is 17 00:01:07,790 --> 00:01:04,140 a much nicer winter weather coming up on 18 00:01:12,279 --> 00:01:07,800 this week's show what a mixed bag what a 19 00:01:14,450 --> 00:01:12,289 a selection what a myriad of interesting 20 00:01:15,980 --> 00:01:14,460 reports we have for you while I 21 00:01:20,389 --> 00:01:15,990 certainly hope so we're going to start 22 00:01:22,430 --> 00:01:20,399 with a short report about the Labour 23 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:22,440 Party here in Australia the Federal 24 00:01:26,270 --> 00:01:23,850 Opposition there's an election coming up 25 00:01:28,580 --> 00:01:26,280 and their plans to scrap alternative 26 00:01:31,219 --> 00:01:28,590 medicine from being subsidized by the 27 00:01:33,499 --> 00:01:31,229 taxpayer that's interesting then an 28 00:01:35,570 --> 00:01:33,509 update from the good thinking society in 29 00:01:39,859 --> 00:01:35,580 the UK and their pressure they 30 00:01:41,660 --> 00:01:39,869 continuing pressure on homeopathy and a 31 00:01:43,870 --> 00:01:41,670 lesson to us all i think they are a very 32 00:01:46,580 --> 00:01:43,880 active the good thinking society and 33 00:01:48,949 --> 00:01:46,590 certainly worth our respect and support 34 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:48,959 and we have a guest editorial from 35 00:01:54,699 --> 00:01:50,610 shelly stock and who's going to be 36 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:54,709 talking about naturopathy what is it 37 00:02:01,430 --> 00:01:58,050 does it work should you use it you can 38 00:02:03,139 --> 00:02:01,440 probably guess guess the response from 39 00:02:07,580 --> 00:02:03,149 the skeptic zone on these matters anyway 40 00:02:10,190 --> 00:02:07,590 then we have dr. Brad Makai skeptical 41 00:02:12,559 --> 00:02:10,200 dr. Brad Makai from embarrassing bodies 42 00:02:15,380 --> 00:02:12,569 down under and the Australian skeptics 43 00:02:17,750 --> 00:02:15,390 he appeared on national TV on the Today 44 00:02:19,640 --> 00:02:17,760 extra show on Channel nine and thank you 45 00:02:22,130 --> 00:02:19,650 to the today extra show on channel nine 46 00:02:23,630 --> 00:02:22,140 an interesting morning type show well 47 00:02:27,229 --> 00:02:23,640 there must be interesting they have dr. 48 00:02:30,170 --> 00:02:27,239 Brad Makai he was on there to talk again 49 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:30,180 about neuropathy and homeopathy and 50 00:02:34,450 --> 00:02:32,850 things like that and woo he stirred some 51 00:02:36,100 --> 00:02:34,460 comment and contrary 52 00:02:38,050 --> 00:02:36,110 here from his appearance i'm going to 53 00:02:43,420 --> 00:02:38,060 play the audio of his appearance and 54 00:02:46,810 --> 00:02:43,430 then read some of the well replies he 55 00:02:48,610 --> 00:02:46,820 received by his facebook page were they 56 00:02:51,010 --> 00:02:48,620 glowing were they complimentary were 57 00:02:53,170 --> 00:02:51,020 they patting him on the back well not 58 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:53,180 exactly then we have a story which 59 00:02:58,450 --> 00:02:55,130 appeared on the skeptics the Australian 60 00:03:01,810 --> 00:02:58,460 skeptics website about a financial 61 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:01,820 company who took advice from a psychic 62 00:03:06,340 --> 00:03:04,250 and you don't need to be psychic to 63 00:03:08,850 --> 00:03:06,350 imagine what happened to the company 64 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:08,860 after they took advice from a psychic a 65 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:12,890 tale of woe coming up later on in the 66 00:03:17,590 --> 00:03:15,130 show then to round off the show a very 67 00:03:20,260 --> 00:03:17,600 disturbing update from the story we had 68 00:03:23,860 --> 00:03:20,270 last week about the anti-vaccination 69 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:23,870 flying monkeys the anti-vaccine a public 70 00:03:32,410 --> 00:03:26,810 meeting in Perth Western Australia one 71 00:03:35,650 --> 00:03:32,420 of the the flying monkeys has gone on to 72 00:03:37,990 --> 00:03:35,660 facebook to make direct threats against 73 00:03:40,870 --> 00:03:38,000 one of our friends right at the end of 74 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:40,880 the show you'll hear that disturbing 75 00:03:45,550 --> 00:03:43,730 update but before we get before we get 76 00:03:48,670 --> 00:03:45,560 into the show today I will bring you a 77 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:48,680 little update now about a story we have 78 00:03:53,830 --> 00:03:50,690 been following for some weeks the the 79 00:03:56,890 --> 00:03:53,840 chiropractor Ian Ross pura and you 80 00:04:00,040 --> 00:03:56,900 remember him he's the guy who posted a 81 00:04:05,770 --> 00:04:00,050 video of himself treating a four day old 82 00:04:08,530 --> 00:04:05,780 baby by depressing her back I think it 83 00:04:12,130 --> 00:04:08,540 was her back huh I think so doesn't 84 00:04:14,530 --> 00:04:12,140 matter i guess and you can hear the 85 00:04:16,330 --> 00:04:14,540 crack and the baby cries and this has 86 00:04:18,940 --> 00:04:16,340 gone viral of course it's been reported 87 00:04:21,610 --> 00:04:18,950 all around the world in fact one of the 88 00:04:23,710 --> 00:04:21,620 videos that i saw on a new site which 89 00:04:27,310 --> 00:04:23,720 i'm just looking at at the moment the 90 00:04:30,250 --> 00:04:27,320 age doc I'm telling you it brings a 91 00:04:32,110 --> 00:04:30,260 disclaimer before you play the video let 92 00:04:35,530 --> 00:04:32,120 me just click that now and the 93 00:04:38,500 --> 00:04:35,540 disclaimer says warning this video 94 00:04:43,630 --> 00:04:38,510 contains graphic images which may offend 95 00:04:44,650 --> 00:04:43,640 some viewers and then there's the the 96 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:44,660 video playing there in the background 97 00:04:48,550 --> 00:04:45,860 you can 98 00:04:52,629 --> 00:04:48,560 see it for yourself but I imagine if you 99 00:04:53,770 --> 00:04:52,639 google chiropractor cracks babies back 100 00:04:55,390 --> 00:04:53,780 you'll see that but I'll link to that 101 00:04:59,399 --> 00:04:55,400 story in the show notes the story 102 00:05:01,869 --> 00:04:59,409 however does say that the Melbourne 103 00:05:04,899 --> 00:05:01,879 chiropractor accused of dangerously 104 00:05:08,439 --> 00:05:04,909 cracking the spine of a newborn baby in 105 00:05:11,529 --> 00:05:08,449 a viral video has been banned from 106 00:05:14,409 --> 00:05:11,539 treating babies dr. Ian Ross pura is 107 00:05:16,899 --> 00:05:14,419 also no longer allowed to use spinal 108 00:05:20,050 --> 00:05:16,909 manipulation therapies on patients aged 109 00:05:22,990 --> 00:05:20,060 between two and six years old and any 110 00:05:25,649 --> 00:05:23,000 treatment he provides to patients under 111 00:05:28,990 --> 00:05:25,659 18 years old must be heavily supervised 112 00:05:31,269 --> 00:05:29,000 the conditions placed on dr. rush press 113 00:05:35,019 --> 00:05:31,279 registration to practice appear last 114 00:05:38,980 --> 00:05:35,029 night and that would have been on the 115 00:05:40,719 --> 00:05:38,990 8th of July to come after the 116 00:05:43,300 --> 00:05:40,729 chiropractic board of Australia was due 117 00:05:46,300 --> 00:05:43,310 to hold a hearing into his conduct in 118 00:05:49,029 --> 00:05:46,310 early June a video viewed more than 1 119 00:05:52,149 --> 00:05:49,039 million times had earlier emerged on 120 00:05:53,980 --> 00:05:52,159 YouTube showing dr. Ross Perot doing a 121 00:05:57,070 --> 00:05:53,990 maneuver on the spine of a four day old 122 00:05:59,709 --> 00:05:57,080 baby after her parents al it was a girl 123 00:06:02,469 --> 00:05:59,719 her parents allegedly said she had colic 124 00:06:04,390 --> 00:06:02,479 and reflux the story goes on if he 125 00:06:06,459 --> 00:06:04,400 treats children in the future he must be 126 00:06:09,189 --> 00:06:06,469 supervised by a skilled registered 127 00:06:11,529 --> 00:06:09,199 chiropractor approved by the board under 128 00:06:14,260 --> 00:06:11,539 new conditions oh yes and the story 129 00:06:17,740 --> 00:06:14,270 concludes dr. Ross Perot's office was 130 00:06:20,649 --> 00:06:17,750 contacted for comment but there's no 131 00:06:22,510 --> 00:06:20,659 sign of a comment there so that's an 132 00:06:25,450 --> 00:06:22,520 interesting development i guess the 133 00:06:28,510 --> 00:06:25,460 chiropractic board have been shamed into 134 00:06:29,980 --> 00:06:28,520 doing something at least well that's all 135 00:06:35,110 --> 00:06:29,990 for me at the moment i'm gonna run 136 00:06:38,730 --> 00:06:35,120 downstairs feed the cat some chicken i 137 00:06:41,170 --> 00:06:38,740 think chicken today maybe I like chicken 138 00:06:44,379 --> 00:06:41,180 Henrietta and more these skeptics own 139 00:06:46,209 --> 00:06:44,389 cats who are busily sleeping in their 140 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:46,219 little cat boxes at the moment so maybe 141 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:49,490 they don't want to be disturbed so maybe 142 00:06:55,870 --> 00:06:52,370 I'll wait on the cats lunch instead I'll 143 00:06:59,320 --> 00:06:55,880 make myself something which most of you 144 00:07:02,429 --> 00:06:59,330 will not appreciate I'm sure 145 00:07:05,499 --> 00:07:02,439 but those of you who do like Vegemite oh 146 00:07:10,089 --> 00:07:05,509 I've just lost half my audience might 147 00:07:11,890 --> 00:07:10,099 try this okay toast up some toast do you 148 00:07:15,670 --> 00:07:11,900 toast up you know your toast bread to 149 00:07:19,809 --> 00:07:15,680 make that you make some toast lightly 150 00:07:23,770 --> 00:07:19,819 buttered or preferably cream cheese just 151 00:07:27,129 --> 00:07:23,780 lightly smear some Vegemite on then 152 00:07:30,879 --> 00:07:27,139 sprinkle some sesame oil sesame seed oil 153 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:30,889 on top of that oh wow is that good 154 00:07:37,110 --> 00:07:33,610 that's a taste sensation I should um I 155 00:07:42,820 --> 00:07:37,120 should mix it up and sell it as am a 156 00:08:04,450 --> 00:07:42,830 thing no not while I contemplate that I 157 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:06,730 and now a story that caught my attention 158 00:08:12,939 --> 00:08:10,130 thanks to our friends at the Friends of 159 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:12,949 Science in medicine and you can check 160 00:08:18,339 --> 00:08:15,050 them out at Facebook or on their website 161 00:08:20,529 --> 00:08:18,349 which is science in medicine or gay you 162 00:08:24,129 --> 00:08:20,539 and they're reporting a story that 163 00:08:27,939 --> 00:08:24,139 appears on the SBS website here in 164 00:08:30,339 --> 00:08:27,949 Australia labor scraps rebates for 165 00:08:32,050 --> 00:08:30,349 natural therapies labor being the 166 00:08:34,389 --> 00:08:32,060 opposition political party in this 167 00:08:36,820 --> 00:08:34,399 country there is a federal election in a 168 00:08:38,889 --> 00:08:36,830 few weeks the story reads labour has 169 00:08:40,829 --> 00:08:38,899 announced it will save a hundred and 170 00:08:43,269 --> 00:08:40,839 eighty million dollars by scrapping 171 00:08:46,980 --> 00:08:43,279 taxpayer-funded private health insurance 172 00:08:50,199 --> 00:08:46,990 rebates for treatments like aromatherapy 173 00:08:52,060 --> 00:08:50,209 it does sound encouraging the story says 174 00:08:55,210 --> 00:08:52,070 there's nothing wrong with seeking 175 00:08:57,970 --> 00:08:55,220 natural therapies federal labor insists 176 00:09:00,190 --> 00:08:57,980 but taxpayers won't be subsidizing them 177 00:09:02,410 --> 00:09:00,200 if Bill Shorten Bill Shorten is the 178 00:09:04,750 --> 00:09:02,420 leader of the Opposition and the man who 179 00:09:07,090 --> 00:09:04,760 hopes to be Prime Minister soon becomes 180 00:09:09,970 --> 00:09:07,100 Prime Minister shadow treasurer Chris 181 00:09:13,569 --> 00:09:09,980 Bowen announced on Friday that from July 182 00:09:15,970 --> 00:09:13,579 won 20-17 taxpayer-funded private health 183 00:09:18,699 --> 00:09:15,980 insurance rebates would no longer be 184 00:09:20,860 --> 00:09:18,709 available for natural therapies the 185 00:09:23,350 --> 00:09:20,870 measure would save 180 million dollars 186 00:09:26,110 --> 00:09:23,360 over four years and seven hundred and 187 00:09:27,970 --> 00:09:26,120 four million over the decade Mr Bowen 188 00:09:29,590 --> 00:09:27,980 was quick to insist that there was 189 00:09:32,590 --> 00:09:29,600 nothing wrong with seeking natural 190 00:09:36,550 --> 00:09:32,600 therapies like aromatherapy herbalism or 191 00:09:39,010 --> 00:09:36,560 iridology quote I myself use them from 192 00:09:42,940 --> 00:09:39,020 time to time my personal favorite is the 193 00:09:44,889 --> 00:09:42,950 Bowen treatment hmm I can recommend it 194 00:09:47,710 --> 00:09:44,899 to you in quote he told reporters in 195 00:09:50,019 --> 00:09:47,720 Sydney what a funny man quote but in 196 00:09:52,810 --> 00:09:50,029 times of difficult budgetary situations 197 00:09:54,519 --> 00:09:52,820 it is not appropriate for taxpayers to 198 00:09:56,620 --> 00:09:54,529 have to fund and subsidize private 199 00:09:59,680 --> 00:09:56,630 health insurance cover for these 200 00:10:01,990 --> 00:09:59,690 treatments and quote the measure is part 201 00:10:04,180 --> 00:10:02,000 of a suite of cuts labor announced on 202 00:10:06,310 --> 00:10:04,190 Friday Mr Bowen also announced that 203 00:10:08,170 --> 00:10:06,320 Labour would continue the threshold 204 00:10:11,139 --> 00:10:08,180 freeze for private health insurance 205 00:10:14,410 --> 00:10:11,149 rebates for another decade to 20-26 206 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:14,420 saving 2.3 billion dollars now that's an 207 00:10:17,980 --> 00:10:17,060 interesting move by the opposition in 208 00:10:20,519 --> 00:10:17,990 this time of a Fed 209 00:10:22,750 --> 00:10:20,529 general election and it's something that 210 00:10:24,430 --> 00:10:22,760 groups like friends of science and 211 00:10:26,410 --> 00:10:24,440 medicine and Australian skeptics have 212 00:10:29,139 --> 00:10:26,420 been calling for for a long time that 213 00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:29,149 these outdated treatments such as 214 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:32,480 iridology and aromatherapy and we could 215 00:10:39,970 --> 00:10:36,770 add acupuncture and homeopathy should 216 00:10:42,940 --> 00:10:39,980 not absolutely not be subsidized by the 217 00:10:45,550 --> 00:10:42,950 Australian taxpayer and the similar 218 00:10:47,829 --> 00:10:45,560 thought I know is with our friends over 219 00:10:51,389 --> 00:10:47,839 at the good thinking Society in the UK 220 00:10:53,380 --> 00:10:51,399 but it is yet to be seen whether the 221 00:10:55,690 --> 00:10:53,390 Labour Party will win the upcoming 222 00:10:58,510 --> 00:10:55,700 election it's predicted they're not 223 00:11:01,000 --> 00:10:58,520 going to but who knows and even if they 224 00:11:16,570 --> 00:11:01,010 do it will be seen whether they keep 225 00:11:19,389 --> 00:11:16,580 this promise we will keep you updated hi 226 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:19,399 this is Cassandra president of the 227 00:11:24,130 --> 00:11:21,890 Brisbane skeptics society and sunny 228 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:24,140 Queensland which well by Sydney 229 00:11:29,410 --> 00:11:26,450 standards is the north side of Australia 230 00:11:32,410 --> 00:11:29,420 I'd like to invite you to join us at one 231 00:11:34,810 --> 00:11:32,420 of our many events not only do we have 232 00:11:37,630 --> 00:11:34,820 weekly social gatherings all over 233 00:11:39,940 --> 00:11:37,640 Brisbane and monthly lectures we get 234 00:11:42,579 --> 00:11:39,950 along so well that once or twice a year 235 00:11:45,199 --> 00:11:42,589 we escape our city confines in Brisbane 236 00:11:46,999 --> 00:11:45,209 and go travelling together 237 00:11:50,419 --> 00:11:47,009 we're always on the lookout for new 238 00:11:53,419 --> 00:11:50,429 ideas new perspectives and definitely 239 00:11:59,239 --> 00:11:53,429 new speakers want to find out more 240 00:12:01,699 --> 00:11:59,249 please visit us at www.credit org or 241 00:12:04,460 --> 00:12:01,709 search for Brisbane skeptics society on 242 00:12:21,259 --> 00:12:04,470 Facebook or Twitter we hope to see you 243 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:21,269 soon from our friends of the good 244 00:12:27,650 --> 00:12:24,689 thinking society in the UK good thinking 245 00:12:29,319 --> 00:12:27,660 society org the good thinking Society 246 00:12:31,460 --> 00:12:29,329 welcomes the National Health Service 247 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:31,470 Liverpool's clinical commissioning 248 00:12:37,189 --> 00:12:34,649 groups report on homeopathy funding by 249 00:12:40,429 --> 00:12:37,199 Michael Marshall published on the 7th of 250 00:12:44,119 --> 00:12:40,439 June 2016 continued funding or end 251 00:12:46,100 --> 00:12:44,129 funding will be decided on jun 14th the 252 00:12:49,549 --> 00:12:46,110 good thinking Society welcome today's 253 00:12:52,509 --> 00:12:49,559 report from the NHS Liverpool's ccg on 254 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:52,519 the subject of homeopathy which showed 255 00:12:59,150 --> 00:12:55,170 overwhelming support from Liverpool 256 00:13:00,859 --> 00:12:59,160 residents for an end to funding the 257 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:00,869 report which came about after good 258 00:13:06,259 --> 00:13:03,360 thinking's legal challenge to ccg in 259 00:13:08,059 --> 00:13:06,269 February 2015 concluded that sixty-six 260 00:13:10,789 --> 00:13:08,069 percent of all respondents to the 261 00:13:13,249 --> 00:13:10,799 consultation would never use homeopathy 262 00:13:16,249 --> 00:13:13,259 services in the future due to the lack 263 00:13:18,980 --> 00:13:16,259 of evidence for the effectiveness of the 264 00:13:22,189 --> 00:13:18,990 treatment and believing homeopathy to be 265 00:13:24,859 --> 00:13:22,199 an inappropriate use of NHS funds 266 00:13:26,889 --> 00:13:24,869 furthermore sixty-four percent of 267 00:13:29,419 --> 00:13:26,899 liverpool residents consulted and 268 00:13:31,900 --> 00:13:29,429 seventy-three of overall respondents 269 00:13:35,299 --> 00:13:31,910 wanted to stop homeopathy funding 270 00:13:37,759 --> 00:13:35,309 immediately interestingly the report 271 00:13:40,569 --> 00:13:37,769 also found that many respondents did not 272 00:13:42,799 --> 00:13:40,579 understand the true nature of homeopathy 273 00:13:45,350 --> 00:13:42,809 suggesting that the number of people 274 00:13:48,289 --> 00:13:45,360 calling to an end of the treatment may 275 00:13:51,079 --> 00:13:48,299 have been higher if it had been clearer 276 00:13:54,730 --> 00:13:51,089 that homeopathic remedies are not the 277 00:13:58,009 --> 00:13:54,740 same as herbal or natural remedies 278 00:14:00,619 --> 00:13:58,019 michael marshall little resident and 279 00:14:03,799 --> 00:14:00,629 director of good thinking society said 280 00:14:05,989 --> 00:14:03,809 of the report quote it's encouraging to 281 00:14:07,970 --> 00:14:05,999 see such a clear statement from 282 00:14:11,979 --> 00:14:07,980 Liverpool residents that homeopathy has 283 00:14:14,359 --> 00:14:11,989 no place on the NHS the evidence is 284 00:14:16,939 --> 00:14:14,369 unequivocal in showing that homeopathic 285 00:14:19,639 --> 00:14:16,949 treatments are no more effective than 286 00:14:21,530 --> 00:14:19,649 placebo and this consultation shows 287 00:14:24,499 --> 00:14:21,540 overwhelmingly that the people of 288 00:14:27,350 --> 00:14:24,509 Liverpool believe limited NHS funds 289 00:14:30,710 --> 00:14:27,360 should be spent on treatments that are 290 00:14:33,079 --> 00:14:30,720 shown to actually work we trust the CCG 291 00:14:35,239 --> 00:14:33,089 will make the correct decision in light 292 00:14:37,189 --> 00:14:35,249 of this report taking into account the 293 00:14:39,350 --> 00:14:37,199 lack of evidence for the effectiveness 294 00:14:41,449 --> 00:14:39,360 of homeopathy as well as the 295 00:14:44,150 --> 00:14:41,459 overwhelming view of the Liverpool 296 00:14:49,189 --> 00:14:44,160 people that homeopathy should not be 297 00:14:52,009 --> 00:14:49,199 funded on the NHS end quote this report 298 00:14:54,259 --> 00:14:52,019 will be discussed by NHS Liverpool ccg 299 00:14:57,109 --> 00:14:54,269 at their upcoming board meeting on the 300 00:15:00,699 --> 00:14:57,119 14th of June and a final decision for 301 00:15:02,780 --> 00:15:00,709 homeopathy funding will be made then and 302 00:15:06,319 --> 00:15:02,790 thats thanks to the good thinking 303 00:15:08,210 --> 00:15:06,329 society good thinking society org and we 304 00:15:25,970 --> 00:15:08,220 will keep you posted on further 305 00:15:32,970 --> 00:15:31,170 hey Richard oh hi Trish I would you like 306 00:15:34,890 --> 00:15:32,980 a coffee yeah thanks what you're working 307 00:15:37,260 --> 00:15:34,900 on I'm trying to come up with a new 308 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:37,270 promo to play on the skeptic zone who's 309 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:40,090 it for the good thinking society in the 310 00:15:44,820 --> 00:15:42,490 UK you know Michael Marshall Simon Singh 311 00:15:46,620 --> 00:15:44,830 Nora Thomas and background oh yeah I 312 00:15:49,100 --> 00:15:46,630 know them they've been doing some great 313 00:15:52,020 --> 00:15:49,110 work investigating veterinary homeopathy 314 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:52,030 vetri homeopathy what you sugarpill this 315 00:15:55,740 --> 00:15:54,490 for cows I know right and also they're 316 00:15:58,530 --> 00:15:55,750 looking at some of the dodgy medical 317 00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:58,540 advice given by UK chiropractors really 318 00:16:03,930 --> 00:16:00,160 okay look I'll mention all that in the 319 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:03,940 promo now their website is good thinking 320 00:16:09,540 --> 00:16:07,870 society cool and they've recently been 321 00:16:12,150 --> 00:16:09,550 reporting on the resurgence of faith 322 00:16:13,710 --> 00:16:12,160 healer peter Popoff you know right okay 323 00:16:27,300 --> 00:16:13,720 look thanks to that it gives me 324 00:16:28,860 --> 00:16:27,310 something good to think about around ten 325 00:16:31,160 --> 00:16:28,870 percent of Australians have seen a 326 00:16:34,500 --> 00:16:31,170 naturopath for one reason or another 327 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:34,510 chances are you someone you know or that 328 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:36,490 person over there have visited a 329 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:38,890 naturopath in the last year but 330 00:16:44,100 --> 00:16:42,130 popularity isn't everything recent 331 00:16:47,070 --> 00:16:44,110 reports of a sydney naturopath allegedly 332 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:47,080 endangering the life of the baby the son 333 00:16:51,270 --> 00:16:48,970 of a naturopath shunning radiotherapy 334 00:16:53,460 --> 00:16:51,280 for alternative therapies and a 335 00:16:55,290 --> 00:16:53,470 disgraced gold coast dr turning to 336 00:16:58,140 --> 00:16:55,300 naturopathy rather than maintaining her 337 00:17:02,240 --> 00:16:58,150 registration raise the question what's 338 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:05,670 so what is naturopathy anyway trying to 339 00:17:10,260 --> 00:17:07,810 explain naturopathy is like trying to 340 00:17:12,780 --> 00:17:10,270 draw a sound there's no definitive 341 00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:12,790 method technique or remedy that you can 342 00:17:17,550 --> 00:17:15,970 point to and say that's naturopathy it 343 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:17,560 comprises an astounding array of 344 00:17:22,350 --> 00:17:19,930 concepts send it around the idea that 345 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:22,360 health can be maintained without surgery 346 00:17:27,990 --> 00:17:24,850 or drugs by enabling your body to heal 347 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:28,000 itself naturopathy can include herbal 348 00:17:33,140 --> 00:17:30,730 vitamin and mineral supplements dietary 349 00:17:36,120 --> 00:17:33,150 advice massage therapy homeopathy 350 00:17:39,330 --> 00:17:36,130 reflexology kinesiology and many other 351 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:39,340 approaches to optimum wellness rather 352 00:17:43,530 --> 00:17:41,290 than struggling with what naturopathy is 353 00:17:47,030 --> 00:17:43,540 it might be easier to define what 354 00:17:53,130 --> 00:17:51,030 naturopathy isn't medicine one of the 355 00:17:55,860 --> 00:17:53,140 major draw cards of naturopathy to those 356 00:17:58,230 --> 00:17:55,870 who are weary disillusioned or downright 357 00:18:01,100 --> 00:17:58,240 terrified of doctors is that it provides 358 00:18:03,750 --> 00:18:01,110 a natural alternative to modern medicine 359 00:18:06,150 --> 00:18:03,760 but it's tricky to ditch medicine 360 00:18:08,820 --> 00:18:06,160 without also discarding important things 361 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:08,830 like standardized ethics and scientific 362 00:18:13,260 --> 00:18:11,290 evidence medicine represents the 363 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:13,270 culmination of scientific knowledge over 364 00:18:17,370 --> 00:18:15,610 many lifetimes constantly strengthening 365 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:17,380 and correcting itself with data 366 00:18:23,100 --> 00:18:19,690 measurement controlled testing and 367 00:18:24,650 --> 00:18:23,110 published studies naturopathy represents 368 00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:24,660 centuries of traditional folklore 369 00:18:33,630 --> 00:18:27,910 ancient wisdom plants and a decent 370 00:18:36,780 --> 00:18:33,640 smattering of pan flutes even that 371 00:18:39,060 --> 00:18:36,790 trappa the-- isn't naturopathy when you 372 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:39,070 see a registered health practitioner you 373 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:41,290 can assume you'll have more or less the 374 00:18:44,700 --> 00:18:42,850 same experience as you would with a 375 00:18:47,789 --> 00:18:44,710 different registered health practitioner 376 00:18:51,030 --> 00:18:47,799 of the same persuasion there might be 377 00:18:53,370 --> 00:18:51,040 some variation in quality manner price 378 00:18:54,990 --> 00:18:53,380 and waiting room decor but you'll 379 00:18:56,520 --> 00:18:55,000 generally get the same bang for your 380 00:18:59,330 --> 00:18:56,530 buck with one doctor or psychologist 381 00:19:03,120 --> 00:18:59,340 that you would with another the thing is 382 00:19:05,810 --> 00:19:03,130 unlike GPS physios orthopedic surgeons 383 00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:05,820 dentists pharmacists and nurses 384 00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:08,110 naturopathy isn't standardized or 385 00:19:13,049 --> 00:19:11,260 independently regulated there has been a 386 00:19:14,669 --> 00:19:13,059 gradual push for the regulation of 387 00:19:17,159 --> 00:19:14,679 naturopaths in Australia for several 388 00:19:19,140 --> 00:19:17,169 years but little agreement between the 389 00:19:21,630 --> 00:19:19,150 industry's professional associations 390 00:19:24,539 --> 00:19:21,640 about what standards naturopathy should 391 00:19:26,909 --> 00:19:24,549 adhere to as a result your naturopath 392 00:19:29,549 --> 00:19:26,919 could be a University graduate giving 393 00:19:31,620 --> 00:19:29,559 out solid nutritional advice or a bored 394 00:19:34,530 --> 00:19:31,630 housewife with a massage table giving 395 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:34,540 out sugar pills and liver failure in 396 00:19:38,850 --> 00:19:36,730 Australia both can legally call 397 00:19:41,010 --> 00:19:38,860 themselves naturopath and charge you 398 00:19:45,580 --> 00:19:41,020 money 399 00:19:47,710 --> 00:19:45,590 is naturopathy natural naturopathy is 400 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:47,720 all about keeping health care as natural 401 00:19:52,750 --> 00:19:50,330 as possible but is that always a good 402 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:52,760 thing mother nature can be a cruel old 403 00:19:57,220 --> 00:19:55,250 [\h__\h] at the best of times anyone who's 404 00:19:59,830 --> 00:19:57,230 ever had a broken rib or a face eating 405 00:20:02,529 --> 00:19:59,840 virus can tell you that or my mitt in 406 00:20:04,450 --> 00:20:02,539 the absence of a face of course nature 407 00:20:06,549 --> 00:20:04,460 gives us lovely things to like fresh 408 00:20:08,830 --> 00:20:06,559 fruit and vegetables we just have to 409 00:20:10,980 --> 00:20:08,840 know which ones won't kill us navigating 410 00:20:13,810 --> 00:20:10,990 the perils of nature is difficult 411 00:20:16,270 --> 00:20:13,820 luckily one group of people has done the 412 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:16,280 hard work for us testing nature to 413 00:20:22,149 --> 00:20:18,770 determine what can heal us and kill us 414 00:20:26,980 --> 00:20:22,159 in what amount and when that group of 415 00:20:29,529 --> 00:20:26,990 people is known as scientists does 416 00:20:31,210 --> 00:20:29,539 naturopathy work an Australian 417 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:31,220 government review of alternative 418 00:20:35,830 --> 00:20:34,250 therapies in 2015 found no clear 419 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:35,840 evidence of effectiveness for 420 00:20:40,750 --> 00:20:38,690 naturopathy however with so many 421 00:20:43,060 --> 00:20:40,760 different practitioners treatments and 422 00:20:45,310 --> 00:20:43,070 approaches huddled under one umbrella it 423 00:20:48,270 --> 00:20:45,320 doesn't seem fair to say that naturally 424 00:20:51,610 --> 00:20:48,280 as a whole is effective or ineffective 425 00:20:53,289 --> 00:20:51,620 some naturopathic recommendations like 426 00:20:55,690 --> 00:20:53,299 eating fresh vegetables and getting 427 00:20:59,350 --> 00:20:55,700 enough sleep a scientifically proven 428 00:21:02,740 --> 00:20:59,360 no-brainers others like homeopathy and 429 00:21:04,690 --> 00:21:02,750 coffee enemas rely on outdated concepts 430 00:21:08,470 --> 00:21:04,700 of human health and have woefully 431 00:21:15,110 --> 00:21:12,549 isn't that drop of you safe yes and no 432 00:21:17,299 --> 00:21:15,120 no treatment with a measurable effect 433 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:17,309 can be a hundred percent safe in 434 00:21:23,060 --> 00:21:20,370 medicine naturopathy or any other health 435 00:21:24,860 --> 00:21:23,070 modality a worthwhile practitioner will 436 00:21:27,230 --> 00:21:24,870 consider the relative risk and benefit 437 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:27,240 of a therapy before offering it a common 438 00:21:31,370 --> 00:21:29,130 danger of naturopathic remedies and 439 00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:31,380 recommendations whether they work or not 440 00:21:37,370 --> 00:21:34,020 is that they are commonly undertaken in 441 00:21:39,620 --> 00:21:37,380 place of proven medical treatments some 442 00:21:42,110 --> 00:21:39,630 naturopaths advise customers to forgo 443 00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:42,120 other treatments stop taking medications 444 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:50,539 when naturopathy turns bad naturopaths 445 00:21:55,190 --> 00:21:52,289 put themselves in a position that says I 446 00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:55,200 can look after you a lot of them take 447 00:21:58,759 --> 00:21:57,299 that position very seriously care deeply 448 00:22:01,460 --> 00:21:58,769 about the quality of their work and 449 00:22:03,379 --> 00:22:01,470 practice within their skill set then 450 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:03,389 there are the irresponsible dodgy 451 00:22:08,570 --> 00:22:06,090 Cowboys who abuse the trust and respect 452 00:22:10,609 --> 00:22:08,580 of their customers abandon their duty of 453 00:22:13,700 --> 00:22:10,619 care and cause harm with their lack of 454 00:22:16,489 --> 00:22:13,710 scientific knowledge in an unregulated 455 00:22:19,759 --> 00:22:16,499 industry it's hard to choose a good 456 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:19,769 naturopath over a bad one indeed some 457 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:21,330 customers have only discovered the 458 00:22:26,210 --> 00:22:23,609 consequences of their choice after their 459 00:22:29,629 --> 00:22:26,220 cancer has become untreatable so here's 460 00:22:38,869 --> 00:22:29,639 my free unqualified advice eat better 461 00:22:41,210 --> 00:22:38,879 work less see a doctor Shelly stockin is 462 00:22:43,729 --> 00:22:41,220 a freelance writer and skeptical 463 00:22:55,399 --> 00:22:43,739 consumer she can be found on twitter at 464 00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:55,409 shell a tea that's at sh e ll I t/y in 465 00:22:59,839 --> 00:22:57,720 the past week our friend dr. Brad Makai 466 00:23:02,899 --> 00:22:59,849 appeared on national TV here in 467 00:23:05,989 --> 00:23:02,909 Australia to discuss the subject of 468 00:23:09,589 --> 00:23:05,999 neuropathy here is the audio from that 469 00:23:11,419 --> 00:23:09,599 brief appearance also making news a rise 470 00:23:13,969 --> 00:23:11,429 in the number of Australians turning to 471 00:23:16,129 --> 00:23:13,979 naturopathy a recent study revealed that 472 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:16,139 we're using alternate days thank you 473 00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:18,090 thank you a recent study revealed were 474 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:19,679 using alternative medicines more and 475 00:23:22,789 --> 00:23:21,210 more but do they actually work so we 476 00:23:26,169 --> 00:23:22,799 brought in dr. Brad to tell us more 477 00:23:30,469 --> 00:23:26,179 about this this will dr. Brad nootropic 478 00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:30,479 what is that naturopathy it's a bit of a 479 00:23:33,979 --> 00:23:31,919 loose term like a lot of people will 480 00:23:35,479 --> 00:23:33,989 call themselves naturopaths but there's 481 00:23:37,249 --> 00:23:35,489 a wide variety of different things that 482 00:23:39,859 --> 00:23:37,259 they might do so they might be involving 483 00:23:43,159 --> 00:23:39,869 iridology massage therapy looking at 484 00:23:44,599 --> 00:23:43,169 diet and nutrition they can be doing a 485 00:23:46,549 --> 00:23:44,609 wide range of different things even 486 00:23:48,169 --> 00:23:46,559 kinesiology a lot of it is an 487 00:23:50,239 --> 00:23:48,179 evidence-based and that's why this have 488 00:23:52,969 --> 00:23:50,249 on the fringes of medicine and health 489 00:23:54,649 --> 00:23:52,979 care um and yeah so it's sort of hard to 490 00:23:56,360 --> 00:23:54,659 tell y'all to seal and everything 491 00:24:00,850 --> 00:23:56,370 homeopathy yeah I'm homie off 492 00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:00,860 is crap it's totally homie off the sides 493 00:24:05,660 --> 00:24:03,059 it's based on the principle that like 494 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:05,670 we'll cure something that's similar to 495 00:24:10,370 --> 00:24:07,730 it and it's just watered-down 496 00:24:12,140 --> 00:24:10,380 watered-down molecules to having nothing 497 00:24:14,660 --> 00:24:12,150 in it and then saying that water has 498 00:24:18,140 --> 00:24:14,670 memory and it's all a little bit of crap 499 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:18,150 it's really filled people are into 500 00:24:22,190 --> 00:24:20,970 alternative yeah medicine and therapies 501 00:24:24,049 --> 00:24:22,200 so how can you be sure that the 502 00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:24,059 naturopath you're going to is credible 503 00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:26,400 well that's a big issue so there are 504 00:24:29,540 --> 00:24:27,720 some people that go through quite 505 00:24:31,630 --> 00:24:29,550 extensive training and they they might 506 00:24:35,390 --> 00:24:31,640 have like a wide range of knowledge in 507 00:24:36,770 --> 00:24:35,400 in nutrition and diet but then you might 508 00:24:39,290 --> 00:24:36,780 be seeing somebody who's done like a 509 00:24:40,930 --> 00:24:39,300 course for a few years and they don't 510 00:24:43,070 --> 00:24:40,940 they don't have the same sort of 511 00:24:45,590 --> 00:24:43,080 standards of practice as well if you go 512 00:24:46,669 --> 00:24:45,600 and see a GP or a pediatrician then you 513 00:24:48,140 --> 00:24:46,679 sort of know what you're going to get 514 00:24:49,430 --> 00:24:48,150 they might be a little bit like grumpy 515 00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,440 or whatever but you know that you're 516 00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:50,880 going to get the right antibiotics and 517 00:24:53,270 --> 00:24:51,720 they're going to be treating you 518 00:24:54,530 --> 00:24:53,280 properly there's a standard of care 519 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:54,540 that's there but if you go into a 520 00:24:59,240 --> 00:24:56,010 naturopath then they might sort of give 521 00:25:01,220 --> 00:24:59,250 you peanuts or walnuts or elderberry 522 00:25:02,900 --> 00:25:01,230 like there's a wide range of different 523 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:02,910 things and they go oh well that's sort 524 00:25:07,580 --> 00:25:05,730 of acceptable does it work well I think 525 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:07,590 some of the dietary advices it can't be 526 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:10,410 quite good but that's obvious like often 527 00:25:14,390 --> 00:25:11,970 quite obvious if they're saying like 528 00:25:16,010 --> 00:25:14,400 exercise and diet but if they're doing 529 00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:16,020 iridology like looking at your eyes and 530 00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:17,190 trying to tell you what you live is like 531 00:25:23,450 --> 00:25:21,120 like that's just like rubbish yeah it's 532 00:25:26,450 --> 00:25:23,460 your eyes don't change color like unless 533 00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:26,460 you've got mate like join us yeah but 534 00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,750 yeah certainly there's a lot of things 535 00:25:32,419 --> 00:25:29,760 that people will have as placebo that 536 00:25:33,860 --> 00:25:32,429 they will take on board for it is it a 537 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:33,870 safer alternative to modern medicine 538 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:37,050 like antibiotics or chemotherapy well I 539 00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:38,490 think one of the biggest problems that I 540 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:40,740 have working in medicine is that I will 541 00:25:44,150 --> 00:25:42,290 often see people that have been 542 00:25:45,410 --> 00:25:44,160 disgruntled with medical care than they 543 00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:45,420 might see a naturopath for further 544 00:25:49,850 --> 00:25:47,880 treatment I'll often see them after that 545 00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:49,860 after they've been spending six hundred 546 00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:52,740 dollars a week on therapies and pills 547 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:55,260 that they're taking on supplements but 548 00:25:58,340 --> 00:25:56,850 also if they do have something like 549 00:25:59,419 --> 00:25:58,350 cancer or if they do have an infection 550 00:26:01,130 --> 00:25:59,429 and they're not having the proper 551 00:26:02,690 --> 00:26:01,140 treatment for it and they're being 552 00:26:04,550 --> 00:26:02,700 treated with something that's that is 553 00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:04,560 this alternative then they can present 554 00:26:08,540 --> 00:26:06,840 really late and often if it is cancer 555 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:08,550 they're presenting too late to get help 556 00:26:10,930 --> 00:26:09,530 hi dr. pan 557 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:10,940 thank you so much for your time this 558 00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:12,890 kind of course if you have any questions 559 00:26:18,940 --> 00:26:15,200 or concerns about your health or about 560 00:26:21,780 --> 00:26:18,950 the trophy visit your GP needless to say 561 00:26:25,900 --> 00:26:21,790 dr. Brad McKay's appearance on that show 562 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:25,910 created some backlash we might say from 563 00:26:31,390 --> 00:26:28,610 the general population well from those 564 00:26:33,610 --> 00:26:31,400 people who are fans of homeopathy and 565 00:26:36,370 --> 00:26:33,620 naturopathy and they've certainly led 566 00:26:40,180 --> 00:26:36,380 dr. Brad know their feelings via his 567 00:26:45,310 --> 00:26:40,190 facebook page which is by the way do 568 00:26:48,820 --> 00:26:45,320 sítio our dr. Brad Makai that's MC ka Y 569 00:26:51,270 --> 00:26:48,830 and you can find dr. brad on facebook 570 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:51,280 here are some of the comments left by 571 00:26:58,980 --> 00:26:55,730 disgruntled viewers Alexandra writes I 572 00:27:02,140 --> 00:26:58,990 am disgusted with the condescending and 573 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:02,150 inaccurate gob dispute about naturopathy 574 00:27:07,030 --> 00:27:04,250 everything we do has to be evidence 575 00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:07,040 based in my degree and it's people like 576 00:27:12,190 --> 00:27:09,290 you who wish to treat me as if I were a 577 00:27:14,230 --> 00:27:12,200 child who needs decisions made for her 578 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:14,240 instead of an adult with valid 579 00:27:19,030 --> 00:27:16,850 experiences and education that makes me 580 00:27:22,030 --> 00:27:19,040 consider working in Europe with my 581 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:22,040 integral friends who respect me this 582 00:27:27,610 --> 00:27:24,770 country's media can be so embarrassingly 583 00:27:29,940 --> 00:27:27,620 backward my best friend is studying 584 00:27:34,180 --> 00:27:29,950 conventional medicine and guess what she 585 00:27:36,970 --> 00:27:34,190 respects me too unlike you carry rights 586 00:27:39,010 --> 00:27:36,980 dr. Brad I'd like to hear you tell 587 00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:39,020 Prince Charles that homeopathy and 588 00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:42,140 alternative medicine is crap sarah 589 00:27:48,550 --> 00:27:45,440 rights and this is verbatim I feel sorry 590 00:27:52,210 --> 00:27:48,560 for you to be so ignorant and living so 591 00:27:55,210 --> 00:27:52,220 much in the past do you actually do 592 00:27:58,390 --> 00:27:55,220 research or know how to read it because 593 00:28:00,940 --> 00:27:58,400 I have read some of your comment and and 594 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:00,950 watched you on national TV sound like a 595 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:04,010 complete idiot today maybe you're too 596 00:28:08,380 --> 00:28:06,530 busy trying to be a TV star that you 597 00:28:12,070 --> 00:28:08,390 forgot how to be a medical professional 598 00:28:14,710 --> 00:28:12,080 to help you I have taken some time out 599 00:28:16,930 --> 00:28:14,720 of my busy day to educate you and 600 00:28:18,970 --> 00:28:16,940 provide you with just a few samples of 601 00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:18,980 studies on homeopathy and herbal 602 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:21,350 medicine the first point I have to make 603 00:28:25,380 --> 00:28:23,330 is homeopathy is the second 604 00:28:27,550 --> 00:28:25,390 most used medicine in the world and 605 00:28:30,070 --> 00:28:27,560 integrated into the health care and 606 00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,080 hospital in India and many parts of 607 00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:32,240 Europe natural therapies is on the 608 00:28:39,130 --> 00:28:36,080 increase um let's think about that for a 609 00:28:42,430 --> 00:28:39,140 moment if you go and see someone and it 610 00:28:45,610 --> 00:28:42,440 doesn't work what do you do keep going 611 00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,620 or stop going not sure about you but I 612 00:28:50,620 --> 00:28:47,840 wouldn't waste my money if it wasn't 613 00:28:52,870 --> 00:28:50,630 working so logical thinking would make 614 00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:52,880 me believe if something is on the 615 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:55,910 increase it means it's working so here 616 00:29:00,010 --> 00:28:57,530 some research for you to look at 617 00:29:02,410 --> 00:29:00,020 following that are a long list of links 618 00:29:05,170 --> 00:29:02,420 including one that says homeopathic 619 00:29:07,540 --> 00:29:05,180 medicine is nano pharmacology and the 620 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:07,550 parting message some of these are lists 621 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:10,130 of studies that you need to do a little 622 00:29:16,570 --> 00:29:13,370 of your own research into as I don't 623 00:29:20,530 --> 00:29:16,580 have time to do it for you Lin rights 624 00:29:23,020 --> 00:29:20,540 dr. Brad very disappointed with your 625 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:23,030 uninformed opinionated comments on 626 00:29:27,550 --> 00:29:25,730 naturopaths and naturopathy some people 627 00:29:30,130 --> 00:29:27,560 are not so dumb that they will take your 628 00:29:32,140 --> 00:29:30,140 word for truth these days people do 629 00:29:35,530 --> 00:29:32,150 their own research precisely because of 630 00:29:37,030 --> 00:29:35,540 the comments such as you made there is 631 00:29:39,490 --> 00:29:37,040 lots of research on complementary 632 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:39,500 medicine and for you to dismiss it as 633 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:43,210 pardon language crap is very ignorant 634 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:46,490 antonina rights dr. Brad I am so 635 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:48,890 disappointed with your segment on today 636 00:29:53,950 --> 00:29:51,770 extra we have a lot of great naturopaths 637 00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:53,960 helping people complementary therapies 638 00:29:59,440 --> 00:29:57,410 came way before Orthodox medicine I know 639 00:30:01,600 --> 00:29:59,450 some great doctors who support our 640 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:01,610 industry please stop slandering our 641 00:30:05,860 --> 00:30:03,650 profession and the great work that our 642 00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:05,870 people do if you don't believe we do a 643 00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:08,570 great job that's okay please do your 644 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:11,090 research your sources aren't entirely 645 00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:14,090 correct nutritional herbal remedies are 646 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:16,880 complimentary note that word and is 647 00:30:22,930 --> 00:30:19,010 there to support not hinder or hurt 648 00:30:25,630 --> 00:30:22,940 people Kathy writes very unfortunate you 649 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:25,640 gave a misinformed view of naturopathy 650 00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:28,010 on the morning show would it be nice if 651 00:30:33,190 --> 00:30:30,380 you'd researched it properly and told 652 00:30:35,860 --> 00:30:33,200 the public we study a four-year Health 653 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:35,870 Science degree same time dieticians and 654 00:30:39,910 --> 00:30:36,410 farm 655 00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,920 study for Joe rights I am discussing in 656 00:30:43,990 --> 00:30:41,360 your comments this morning on 657 00:30:46,390 --> 00:30:44,000 naturopathy all it shows that you are 658 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:46,400 clearly misinformed and educated and 659 00:30:50,890 --> 00:30:49,010 unprofessional if you need to rubbish 660 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:50,900 another profession to make yourself feel 661 00:30:55,420 --> 00:30:53,810 better I feel very sorry for you there 662 00:30:57,340 --> 00:30:55,430 are other comments not all of them 663 00:31:00,400 --> 00:30:57,350 disparaging there are a few there who 664 00:31:02,050 --> 00:31:00,410 are are in support of dr. Brad but it 665 00:31:22,290 --> 00:31:02,060 does give you an interesting flavor of 666 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:26,110 mr. 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00:32:21,710 of the failed stock broking firm BBY was 681 00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:24,340 consulting a psychic and quote 682 00:32:30,550 --> 00:32:27,740 vibrational healer end quote for the 683 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:30,560 last 12 months prior to the firm's 684 00:32:35,530 --> 00:32:33,290 demise according to sources The 685 00:32:38,230 --> 00:32:35,540 Australian Financial Review says that it 686 00:32:41,410 --> 00:32:38,240 understood Roswell was using the 687 00:32:44,170 --> 00:32:41,420 services of divine rotting her quote for 688 00:32:46,060 --> 00:32:44,180 counsel on business decisions including 689 00:32:49,900 --> 00:32:46,070 corporate deals hiring and firing 690 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:49,910 decisions and employee budgets and 691 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:53,570 costs include BBY collapsed in may 2015 692 00:32:59,770 --> 00:32:56,570 owing millions to clients and listen 693 00:33:02,470 --> 00:32:59,780 George Bank rotting her pictured on the 694 00:33:05,530 --> 00:33:02,480 page with a dolphin was occasionally 695 00:33:07,870 --> 00:33:05,540 seen in BB wise Sydney office with 696 00:33:10,450 --> 00:33:07,880 Roswell she runs a company called 697 00:33:13,870 --> 00:33:10,460 essential energies and was previously 698 00:33:16,900 --> 00:33:13,880 resident psychic on a Triple M radio her 699 00:33:20,140 --> 00:33:16,910 career has quote embraced the sciences 700 00:33:23,100 --> 00:33:20,150 business vibrational healing radio 701 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:23,110 psychic and teacher for spirit 702 00:33:28,570 --> 00:33:25,970 vibrational essence have always been an 703 00:33:32,410 --> 00:33:28,580 important part of my energy healers 704 00:33:35,860 --> 00:33:32,420 repertoire in 1996 I had already been 705 00:33:37,990 --> 00:33:35,870 using flower essence and Jim elixirs for 706 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:38,000 a number of years when I first 707 00:33:44,260 --> 00:33:41,090 clairvoyantly noticed a goddess energies 708 00:33:47,530 --> 00:33:44,270 in people's auras during the next six 709 00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:47,540 months Sam my inner Angelica guidance 710 00:33:53,050 --> 00:33:50,720 taught me how to repair activate and in 711 00:33:56,410 --> 00:33:53,060 some cases further develop my repertory 712 00:33:59,410 --> 00:33:56,420 of Goddess energies with which my 713 00:34:02,080 --> 00:33:59,420 clients have habitually operated at 714 00:34:05,650 --> 00:34:02,090 first I did this work manually so to 715 00:34:08,260 --> 00:34:05,660 speak during channeled healings after 716 00:34:10,300 --> 00:34:08,270 having become more adept with this type 717 00:34:13,419 --> 00:34:10,310 of healing and quite familiar with a 718 00:34:16,030 --> 00:34:13,429 number of Goddess energies Sam asked me 719 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:16,040 to begin channeling the essence unique 720 00:34:21,370 --> 00:34:19,010 energetic pattern for each goddess into 721 00:34:24,580 --> 00:34:21,380 bottles so others could access their 722 00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:24,590 healing without me having to be there to 723 00:34:28,780 --> 00:34:26,240 retain their purity the channeled 724 00:34:32,380 --> 00:34:28,790 energies bypass my personal energies 725 00:34:35,490 --> 00:34:32,390 altogether and the quote according to 726 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:35,500 the essential energies website its quote 727 00:34:42,010 --> 00:34:38,690 essences and elixirs our source from the 728 00:34:45,090 --> 00:34:42,020 vast overriding archetypal energies 729 00:34:48,030 --> 00:34:45,100 which operate through creation 730 00:34:51,310 --> 00:34:48,040 archetypes are in fact the fundamental 731 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:51,320 technology of creation our products are 732 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:54,290 channeled vibrational essences and are 733 00:35:00,570 --> 00:34:57,410 more multi-layered in effect than flower 734 00:35:02,780 --> 00:35:00,580 shell and gem essences in most instances 735 00:35:04,970 --> 00:35:02,790 they are also more 736 00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:04,980 powerful and long-lasting in effect then 737 00:35:10,220 --> 00:35:07,410 many forms of energy healing and 738 00:35:12,380 --> 00:35:10,230 attunements generally available at 739 00:35:15,650 --> 00:35:12,390 essential energies we do not believe 740 00:35:18,650 --> 00:35:15,660 humans need fixing but we notice they 741 00:35:21,470 --> 00:35:18,660 often need re-integration having all 742 00:35:24,410 --> 00:35:21,480 their soul structure aspects switched on 743 00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:24,420 realigned and recalibrated to function 744 00:35:29,690 --> 00:35:27,150 more effectively through subtle and 745 00:35:32,570 --> 00:35:29,700 gentle the reluctant energetic mental 746 00:35:35,540 --> 00:35:32,580 physical and emotional changes and the 747 00:35:38,770 --> 00:35:35,550 evolution which we have noted in users 748 00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:38,780 of our essences and elixirs are profound 749 00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:41,220 end quote The Australian Financial 750 00:35:49,100 --> 00:35:46,320 Review reports that KPMG the liquidators 751 00:35:51,290 --> 00:35:49,110 of bvy identified shortfalls in the 752 00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:51,300 company's clients accounts that may 753 00:35:57,530 --> 00:35:53,670 indicate it was trading while insolvent 754 00:35:59,720 --> 00:35:57,540 since 2011 at the time of going to press 755 00:36:01,880 --> 00:35:59,730 the Australian Financial Review was 756 00:36:08,830 --> 00:36:01,890 unable to get a comment from Roswell 757 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:11,510 that was about as hard to read as it was 758 00:36:15,740 --> 00:36:13,650 to comprehend and you can read that for 759 00:36:19,430 --> 00:36:15,750 yourself at the website of Australian 760 00:36:35,420 --> 00:36:19,440 skeptics that's skeptics calm and dot a 761 00:36:38,930 --> 00:36:35,430 you hey Heidi oh hi Jay hi Heidi oh hi 762 00:36:42,140 --> 00:36:38,940 Maynard hi Maynard oh hi Joe nice day in 763 00:36:45,980 --> 00:36:42,150 this park yeah yes great weather oh look 764 00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:45,990 a unicorn a unicorn there are no such 765 00:36:51,770 --> 00:36:48,600 things as unicorns silly yes there are 766 00:36:54,260 --> 00:36:51,780 no there isn't hey ladies what are you 767 00:36:57,740 --> 00:36:54,270 arguing about Joe thinks unicorns are 768 00:37:01,250 --> 00:36:57,750 real they so are let's look this up in 769 00:37:03,500 --> 00:37:01,260 the skeptics dictionary the word how can 770 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:03,510 we do that in this park there are no 771 00:37:08,150 --> 00:37:05,850 computers here you ladies probably don't 772 00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:08,160 know about the skeptics dictionary app 773 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:11,220 available now for iPhone iPad and iPod 774 00:37:16,340 --> 00:37:14,370 touch in the App Store yeah we do we've 775 00:37:16,490 --> 00:37:16,350 been listening to the skeptic zone for 776 00:37:22,580 --> 00:37:16,500 you 777 00:37:25,010 --> 00:37:22,590 access all the great skeptic's 778 00:37:28,460 --> 00:37:25,020 dictionary articles when you're on the 779 00:37:32,330 --> 00:37:28,470 go yeah let me look up unicorns oh cool 780 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:32,340 Heidi prepare to be proven wrong it says 781 00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:34,170 here the Unicorn is a creature from 782 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:37,440 fables aha actually I see now that 783 00:37:41,380 --> 00:37:39,330 someone just dumped her ice cream cone 784 00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,390 on that horse's head thanks 785 00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:44,160 detentionaire iPhone app that's just 786 00:37:58,850 --> 00:37:57,000 some guy in his undies and now here's a 787 00:38:01,010 --> 00:37:58,860 follow-up to a story brought to us by 788 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:01,020 Heidi Robertson you will remember last 789 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:03,330 week she covered the shameful and 790 00:38:07,820 --> 00:38:05,090 disgraceful behavior of the 791 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:07,830 anti-vaccination crowd invading a public 792 00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:10,290 meeting in perth western australia to 793 00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:12,420 talk about the meeting was to talk about 794 00:38:21,830 --> 00:38:19,160 vaccines and the anti-vaccine and 795 00:38:23,900 --> 00:38:21,840 disrupted the whole event if you missed 796 00:38:26,660 --> 00:38:23,910 the report last week I strongly 797 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:26,670 recommend you hear that report it's one 798 00:38:32,500 --> 00:38:28,050 of the better ones I think we've had on 799 00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:32,510 the skeptic zone here is a brief update 800 00:38:38,540 --> 00:38:35,940 the man who is making the video the time 801 00:38:41,210 --> 00:38:38,550 on periscope one Sean do who is 802 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:41,220 prominent voice at least as prominent in 803 00:38:46,970 --> 00:38:44,610 the video has now made threats against 804 00:38:50,630 --> 00:38:46,980 our friend reasonable Hank at the 805 00:38:54,500 --> 00:38:50,640 reasonable Hank blog breezin blank calm 806 00:38:56,540 --> 00:38:54,510 and I quote from their blog Shawn do as 807 00:38:58,520 --> 00:38:56,550 a Perth resident who shot the fame 808 00:39:01,160 --> 00:38:58,530 recently for his abhorrent behavior at 809 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:01,170 the perth telephone kids immunization 810 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:04,050 seminar do intimidated defamed 811 00:39:08,750 --> 00:39:06,810 interrupted and filmed immunization 812 00:39:10,970 --> 00:39:08,760 experts as they attempted to answer 813 00:39:13,670 --> 00:39:10,980 questions from the audience do was 814 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:13,680 widely congratulated by the australian 815 00:39:17,830 --> 00:39:16,410 anti-vaccination community including the 816 00:39:20,810 --> 00:39:17,840 University of Wollongong 817 00:39:24,940 --> 00:39:20,820 anti-vaccination PhD Judy why layman who 818 00:39:27,710 --> 00:39:24,950 was also part of the howling 819 00:39:28,770 --> 00:39:27,720 anti-vaccine ER at the 9th of June at 820 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:28,780 ten-thirty 821 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:32,170 teen in evening Dew uploaded a public 822 00:39:36,870 --> 00:39:34,210 video to Facebook in which he made 823 00:39:40,730 --> 00:39:36,880 explicit and direct threats of physical 824 00:39:43,620 --> 00:39:40,740 violence towards me it's reasonable Hank 825 00:39:45,870 --> 00:39:43,630 do has previously confessed to having an 826 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:45,880 extensive criminal record and there is a 827 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:49,330 link on the blog it is believed that he 828 00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:51,370 is still on a good behavior bond or 829 00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:54,400 similar as admitted by himself in 830 00:39:58,830 --> 00:39:56,710 another online video now here's at the 831 00:40:01,290 --> 00:39:58,840 exit from the video uploaded by Shawn do 832 00:40:04,140 --> 00:40:01,300 and for the sake of the fact that the 833 00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:04,150 skeptic zone tries to be somewhat 834 00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:06,850 family-friendly certain bit so this has 835 00:40:12,290 --> 00:40:08,800 been beeped out but I'm sure you don't 836 00:40:16,710 --> 00:40:12,300 need me to fill in those blanks for you 837 00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:16,720 anger anger and darkness has a place and 838 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:18,850 they rest around with like trolls like 839 00:40:22,110 --> 00:40:20,530 reasonable Hank who have destroyed so 840 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:22,120 many lives and listen to me reasonable 841 00:40:28,380 --> 00:40:25,210 Hank you piece of Pelican whoever you 842 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:28,390 are Peter teenie right the only time 843 00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:30,130 you'll see anger come from me is when I 844 00:40:35,790 --> 00:40:33,670 deal with trolls like you mr. reasonable 845 00:40:39,660 --> 00:40:35,800 Hank how many lives have you destroyed 846 00:40:42,570 --> 00:40:39,670 you piece of Pelican I'm coming for you 847 00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:42,580 mate and if I find out who you are and I 848 00:40:46,020 --> 00:40:44,440 can get my hands around your scrawny 849 00:40:49,020 --> 00:40:46,030 little neck because I bet you're a 850 00:40:51,720 --> 00:40:49,030 scrawny little bastard with no soul or 851 00:40:54,330 --> 00:40:51,730 whoever you are reasonable Hank hear me 852 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:54,340 well here Dell big tree and here the 853 00:40:58,020 --> 00:40:55,930 world we're coming for you mate so you 854 00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:58,030 better delete your goddamn facebook 855 00:41:02,400 --> 00:40:59,920 profile you better get the hell off 856 00:41:05,550 --> 00:41:02,410 Twitter and you better stop harassing 857 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:05,560 victims with your bull because you my 858 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:08,410 friend and not my friend and if you want 859 00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:13,330 to be my friend come and say hello I've 860 00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:15,250 broadcast that everywhere what more do 861 00:41:21,390 --> 00:41:19,390 you want reasonable Hank Peter teeny you 862 00:41:23,220 --> 00:41:21,400 farmer trolls wherever you are there's 863 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:23,230 supposedly they exist somewhere I don't 864 00:41:28,110 --> 00:41:24,850 know who's scared of these people man 865 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:28,120 but needless to say complaints have been 866 00:41:46,890 --> 00:41:30,850 made against Shawn do for this latest 867 00:41:53,769 --> 00:41:51,519 sigh con las vegas no it's not an 868 00:41:56,049 --> 00:41:53,779 illusion sigh con is coming to vegas and 869 00:41:58,000 --> 00:41:56,059 you're not just hearing things for too 870 00:42:00,039 --> 00:41:58,010 long skeptics have been wandering the 871 00:42:03,460 --> 00:42:00,049 desert parched and aimless wandering 872 00:42:05,559 --> 00:42:03,470 when oh when will they find an oasis but 873 00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:05,569 just on the horizon hope beckons at last 874 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:07,130 a chance for critical thinkers from 875 00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:08,930 around the world to celebrate with the 876 00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:10,910 brightest minds and biggest 877 00:42:16,539 --> 00:42:12,880 personalities and science and skepticism 878 00:42:22,329 --> 00:42:16,549 it's no Mirage it's psych on 2016 and 879 00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:22,339 this time it's in Vegas October the 27th 880 00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:25,010 to the 30th come to the Excalibur Hotel 881 00:42:28,420 --> 00:42:26,990 and Casino in Las Vegas where brilliant 882 00:42:31,870 --> 00:42:28,430 speakers will make the City of Light 883 00:42:34,029 --> 00:42:31,880 truly shine with skeptic stars like 884 00:42:36,370 --> 00:42:34,039 evolutionary biologist Richard Dawkins 885 00:42:39,250 --> 00:42:36,380 science education champion Eugenie Scott 886 00:42:42,069 --> 00:42:39,260 30 astronomer Jill tarter and many more 887 00:42:46,329 --> 00:42:42,079 to be announced and yes James the 888 00:42:48,249 --> 00:42:46,339 amazing Randi will be there to Saigon 889 00:42:50,769 --> 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--> 00:43:47,489 we had and wasn't that that last one a 904 00:43:53,479 --> 00:43:50,249 little bit disturbing and it's very 905 00:43:56,269 --> 00:43:53,489 telling that this guy who was making 906 00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:56,279 these threats was been widely praised by 907 00:44:01,219 --> 00:43:58,890 the anti-vaccination crowd now a big 908 00:44:03,890 --> 00:44:01,229 thank you to those people who chip into 909 00:44:05,749 --> 00:44:03,900 the skeptic zone only 99 cents a week or 910 00:44:08,479 --> 00:44:05,759 some people chip in more which is very 911 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:08,489 helpful the show at the moment and in 912 00:44:12,620 --> 00:44:10,410 fact for a long time really doesn't pay 913 00:44:15,499 --> 00:44:12,630 for itself but your subscription does 914 00:44:17,689 --> 00:44:15,509 help in fact if it wasn't for people 915 00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:17,699 like you subscribing this simply would 916 00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:20,249 be no show I would just have to stop so 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--> 00:46:13,800 just have to sit tight until next week 959 00:46:18,220 --> 00:46:16,050 to find out about our new reporter very 960 00:46:20,570 --> 00:46:18,230 exciting lovely to have her on board 961 00:46:22,849 --> 00:46:20,580 more about her next week and she'll 962 00:46:25,700 --> 00:46:22,859 introduce herself and I think she's got 963 00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:25,710 our first story at least lined up very 964 00:46:30,770 --> 00:46:28,859 soon but apart from that I'm not really 965 00:46:34,060 --> 00:46:30,780 sure what will happen on Episode four 966 00:46:36,980 --> 00:46:34,070 hundred I better have a chat to Maynard 967 00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:36,990 he seems to be full of some ideas I 968 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:39,060 think I'll have a chat to may not will 969 00:46:44,090 --> 00:46:41,490 cook up something Oh can't wait to hear 970 00:46:46,910 --> 00:46:44,100 it myself but for this week this is 971 00:46:48,980 --> 00:46:46,920 Richard Saunders Henrietta and more the 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